Константин Крылов ([info]krylov) wrote,
@ 2008-07-17 13:09:00
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"я, хе-хе"
"Человек" является человеком настолько, насколько его сознание не определяется его бытием.

То есть процентов на пять в лучшем случае.

Хотя большинство людей - это просто скверные кальки с их социальных мест, пародии на собственные социальные функции. А остающийся зазор между социальной функцией и "собой" заливается так называемой "иронией". "Я, хе-хе, офисный планктон".

Да, офисный планктон. А "хе-хе" - это так, смазка.

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[info]zimopisec
2008-07-17 09:13 am UTC (link)
Дык смазка- это и есть самое главное. Все прочее взаимозаменяемо и по большому счету в одной цене.

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[info]the_sau
2008-07-17 09:14 am UTC (link)
Абсолютно согласна.

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[info]nihao_62
2008-07-17 09:14 am UTC (link)
Подобно:

"То что наиболее естественно, то наименее приличествует человеку"

(Стругацкие, "Гадкие лебеди")

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[info]mats_gunnar
2008-07-17 09:16 am UTC (link)
это великая мысль. без шуток.

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[info]a_karloff
2008-07-17 02:50 pm UTC (link)
мысль может и не такая великая, а вот формулировка хороша

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[info]anna_fedorova
2008-07-17 09:20 am UTC (link)
все верно, но. Вот этот момент осознания - если он по-настоящему случился - когда человек с ужасом понимает, что в нем очень мало его самого и много социального, впечатанного в него - это важный момент. И в этот момент страх вполне может вызвать защитную реакцию - смех.

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[info]blutang
2008-07-17 10:07 am UTC (link)
Смех и есть прорывающийся страх.

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[info]uzn
2008-07-17 09:29 am UTC (link)
> "Человек" является человеком настолько, насколько его сознание не определяется его бытием.

Хм. Я бы переформулировал как "...насколько его сознание ПРЕВОСХОДИТ его бытиё".

Ибо возможен вариант, когда сознание да, мало зависит от бытия и "не совпадает с ним" — но само по себе таково, что уж лучше бы зависело :(

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[info]vx0
2008-07-17 09:58 am UTC (link)
это все равно человек. Просто низкого качества

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[info]lapine
2008-07-17 09:34 am UTC (link)
Страшно признаться, что я тогда вообще что ли не человек, раз не имею функции.

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[info]humpty_dumpty
2008-07-17 10:31 am UTC (link)
Наоборот. Как известно в мифологии русскоязычной интеллигенции истинный Человек не имеет функции и обязанностей. Поэтому он обретает свойство летать в высях и срать всем на головы. Притом марцыпановыми розами. От чего все эти жывотные должны поднять очи вверх и счастливо захрюкать, а птом устыдиться и прозреть. :)

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то ли я тупой
[info]smartgrinder
2008-07-17 09:57 am UTC (link)
то ли не пойму разницы между человеком в кавычках и без оных

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2008-07-17 10:17 am UTC (link)
Филантропия на марше

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[info]alaev
2008-07-17 10:26 am UTC (link)
Хе-хе?

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[info]humpty_dumpty
2008-07-17 10:27 am UTC (link)
Типичная "Большая мысль". :)

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[info]gromsky
2008-07-17 10:31 am UTC (link)
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2008-07-17 02:03 pm UTC (link)
А что мешает? kkrylov@mail.ru

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[info]igor_dzhadan
2008-07-17 11:01 am UTC (link)
=="Человек" является человеком настолько, насколько его сознание не определяется его бытием.==

кехе-кехе, я бы сказал то же самое и о своей собаке.

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[info]kontext
2008-07-17 11:57 am UTC (link)
как у пелевина в "ампир в", насчет того, что смайлики являются какбы освежителем рта, чтобы не воняло

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[info]isolder
2008-07-17 12:04 pm UTC (link)
Вау!

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2008-07-17 12:34 pm UTC (link)
Это скорее о свободе. Чем-то ницшевским запахло.

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[info]cousin_it
2008-07-17 12:43 pm UTC (link)
Почти так. Не довернули мысль чуть-чуть.

Человек, у которого сознание не определяется бытием - это идеал интеллигента. Грязная кухня, высокие помыслы.

Человек, у которого бытие определяется сознанием - это американская мечта.

То есть связь между бытием и сознанием не надо разрывать, она должна хорошо работать в обе стороны.

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2008-07-17 01:46 pm UTC (link)
> Человек, у которого сознание не определяется бытием - это идеал интеллигента. Грязная кухня, высокие помыслы.

Да неужели?..
А если дом — дворец-музей с дюжиной библиотек, но помыслы только пожрать-потрахаться, тогда как?..

> Человек, у которого бытие определяется сознанием - это американская мечта.

Скорее фэнтази какое-то. Стал мыслить о высоком — живёшь в музее. Впал в низменное потребительство — переселился в бордель-ресторан-супермаркет...

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2008-07-17 01:46 pm UTC (link)
неокортекс тоже всего лишь смазка))

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[info]povischuk
2008-07-17 01:52 pm UTC (link)
Когда я научилась молчанию, я стала человеком. Произошло это пять лет назад.

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[info]4ezafign9
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Нетленка. Пиарю.

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Ну не всё так просто, а чем заполнить эти 5%?

Есть другая постановка задачи: что значит быть человеком? и как стать человеком?

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[info]qaraabayna
2008-07-17 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Идеология отличает человека от животного. Давно известно. "Боян"

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2008-07-17 06:54 pm UTC (link)
камунисты разве люди?

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ну а вы?
[info]alexvelikoross
2008-07-17 06:10 pm UTC (link)
как себя "кальк-улируете"?
Или выше этого?намного?
сдаётся и вас сия язва точит-"ирония",а так грустно всё же на свете жить?

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Да Вы больны болезнью своих оппонентов :-)
[info]seespirit
2008-07-17 06:28 pm UTC (link)
Сравните сами:

большинство людей - это просто скверные кальки с их социальных мест, пародии на собственные социальные функции.

и

они выдвигали тезис о замшелости и заскорузлости большинства, его интеллектуальной и моральной неполноценности

Ну как? :-)

А статья Ваша просто прекраснейшая, спасибо!


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[info]krylov
2008-07-17 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Я что-то говорил о большинстве и меньшинстве?

Сказанное выше относится к "меньшинствам" в ещё большей степени. Вот уж кто полностью определяется своей ролью.

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