Константин Крылов ([info]krylov) wrote,
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философистское
Есть такое мнение, что публичный мыслитель (условный "деррида" или "жижек") может гнать пургу, но это простительно, ибо он "заставляет людей задуматься". Проблематизирует, типа, очевидности.

Вообще на русский слово "проблематизирует" нужно переводить как "подкидывает проблем", а точнее - "грузит".

Они и грузят. Причём в основном хернёй.

И что хорошего в том, что люди начинают думать о херне?

) да-да, я понимаю, что мне на это скажут, и тем не менее (

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[info]el_cambio
2008-07-22 07:44 am UTC (link)
То, что по результату от "противного" они могут начать думать о каких-то верных и полезных вещах.

Главное - "запустить соображалово", если уж дерридой, то пусть и дерридой.

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[info]tritopora
2008-07-22 07:51 am UTC (link)
От Дерриды в сознании порочный круг запускается - вылечить человека уже очень тяжело, он везде "партийность литературы" начинает видеть.

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[info]thainen
2008-07-22 07:56 am UTC (link)
подумать вообще невредно. другое дело, что конкртетно дам-даридам-даридам-дарида никого задуматься не "заставляет", потому что читают его только те, у кого привычка думать есть и без него. и таки начинают думать о херне. паразитизм просто.

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[info]xena_282
2008-07-22 08:18 am UTC (link)
Вы правильно угадали ))))

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[info]x0kky
2008-07-22 08:38 am UTC (link)
Впав в поле мысли Крылова, не хочу вылезать обратно. В нём я крепну, трезвею и здоровею. Поэтому Дерриду с его "поганой машинкой деструктивизма" действительно на..й.
А вообще детский писатель Носов в книжке "НЕЗНАЙКА НА ЛУНЕ" подробно описывает, почему выгодно на Западе творить именно непонятную херню - на примере художников. Так что это - туда же. Внятность и определённость мысли оставляют за бортом балласт модернистского разорванного сознания, которое жить не может без "пространства гробов Достоевского", "могов-не-могов" и прочей херни.

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2008-07-22 08:59 am UTC (link)
На самом деле это очень хорошо. Даже углубившись в какую-нибудь полную херню - можно вынырнуть в самом неожиданном месте и с самыми интересными результатами. Так устроена философия: никогда не знаешь, что с чем сцепится и какой "звоночек" сработает.

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[info]krylov
2008-07-22 10:57 am UTC (link)
Всё это отвлекает от мысли о Главном...

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[info]akrylo
2008-07-22 09:10 am UTC (link)
Профессионалному мыслителю думать о "херне" может быть даже иногда и полезно.
Нормальному, не подготовленному человеку это может быть опасно - может "крышу сорвать". Более того, так часто и бывает - вылезет картавый психопат (как в 1917) и уговорит сделать революцию - потом и сами не рады - да уже назад хода нет.
Это как езда на гоночном мотоцикле - професионал проедет и "покажет класс" - обычный человек убьется на первом же повороте. Нужна серьезная специальная подготовка.
Вот думать об основах и смысле жизни - тоже нужна специальная подготовка и тренировка. Иначе, у неподготовленного могут возникнуть дикие мысли - например выкопает пещеру и в нее залезет (на полгода) - и это еще не самое худшее.

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[info]al1966
2008-07-22 09:10 am UTC (link)
Вот я тоже так думал; приятно, когда профессионал подтверждает собственные догадки...

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[info]skotin
2008-07-22 09:40 am UTC (link)
С удовольствием бы прочитал Вашу книжку "Современная философия" :)) Где все эти дериды всех масей получали бы настоящее рассмотрение.

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2008-07-22 09:43 am UTC (link)
Так оно и есть.

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как в сказке
[info]apockrif
2008-07-22 10:49 am UTC (link)
"А король-то голый!!"

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2008-07-22 12:12 pm UTC (link)
Все равно чем инициировать мышление, было бы что инициировать :-)

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ГЛАВНАЯ проблема СОВРЕМЕННОГО человека
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2008-07-22 04:22 pm UTC (link)
Ну, точнее, ОДНА из главных:

Как распознать суть, смысл, значение информации по её (первой) незначительной части?..

Как оценить книгу, ещё её не покупая?..
Как разобраться в фильме, ещё его не смотря?..
КАК УЯСНИТЬ ПЕРСПЕКТИВНОСТЬ ПРОЕКТА, ЕЩЁ В НЕГО НЕ ВЛЕЗАЯ?..
...ну и т.д., и т.п.

Вот чему надо учить русских людей, ПМСМ. Ибо пока что учат нас ровно обратному — вестись на всякого рода рекламы, "обёртки", "заманухи" и обещания. И на этом самом "ведении" заглатывать и всё остальное — мутную, бесполезную, а часто и ядовитую начинку-продолжение :-(

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